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Category:English on O'Reilly's pages

Hi, Snottygobble! Thanks for contributing to Wikisource. However, I would like to ask you not to add the Category:English to the pages you are adding. Since this is the English Wikisource, we no longer need that category. Thanks!—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 00:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem! :-) I figured it was something like that.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 00:49, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Name change

Hi, Snottygobble,

I've changed your username to Hesperian, as per your request.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 12:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

My Life's Adventure

Hello, and welcome to Wikisource. We appreciate your contribution of the text My Life's Adventure, but in general we cannot accept copyrighted material. Please see Wikisource:Copyright for more information on this topic, or generally, Wikisource:Policies and guidelines. Please do not remove the copyright violation notice placed in the text or repost the suspected infringing material. Prior to removal, suspected copyright infringing texts will be discussed on Wikisource:Possible copyright violations. You are invited and encouraged to participate in the discussion. Thank you. --Benn Newman 00:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The Wild Goose

Glad you gave the goose a ganda. Thanks for the welcome, guess it was just a matter of time. Two last perfomances of the Catalpa play at Freo town hall, Fri 23 Nov or Sat 24 Nov. If you and a partner want to come, Let me know, I will leave your name at the door. FOC. Guess who plays John Devoy.. Ghostieguide 03:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

perth Gazete

Hey I like that you posted these Perth Gazette bits. I reformatted the letter to the editor and added it to the Newspaper index the others at The Perth Gazette look like quotes though, not entire articles. is this true. Do you have the whole articles, are there some that already are complete? none of them have titles. Then i could complete them like the other mostly complete newspaper articles in the index. PS . for the info I put in the talk page you can use {{textinfo}} see wikisource:text quality

I suspected as much thanks for the info--Metal.lunchbox 04:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

welcome

was appreciated. regards, fred Fred.e 02:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi hesperian. I put the draft, Pimelea linifolia on my user page. Your layout was easy to copy,no trouble there. I did have trouble reading the last letter, in what Smith informs us [me] is the Gk. for 'fat'. I also added markup to it - small and bold. I will check it again and do another one. Cygnis insignis 02:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The second draft is in the same place. I had to adapt the page. I can put the small caps throughout the existing pages, if you think it is required. Ta Cygnis insignis 02:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

et Embothrium buxifolium ? Cygnis insignis 05:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Structure

Can I get your opinion, should I have done these as sub pages? Hermione and Her Little Group of Serious Thinkers. I'm wishin I had done that first. Have a look one day. Cygnis insignis

I will try that, I made a sub page of Politics. Something less important was camped out there.

| title    = Hermione and Her Little Group of Serious Thinkers
| author   = Don Marquis
| section  = Politics
| previous =Stimulating Influences
| next     =	Hermione on Psychical Research
| notes    = 

... is adapted A Spec. ... which looks great. Did you load the pages to commons? Cygnis insignis 12:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Alternate format – what do you think? Cygnis insignis 05:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the header is great, but some flexibilty woud be good. I uploaded the first couple of pages for Curtis's, now that I am a bit more familiar with headers. I'm off the 'pedia at the moment, so I will do more around here. Thanks for giving me your views and assistance. Cygnis insignis 13:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I had noticed larger works had their source (text) pages at commons. I'm not sure if they dumped after they are proof read. Seems sensible, other than the server constraints. I don't know much more about it, I ask because I only have some of the pages from gallica. Best regards, Cygnis insignis 12:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have one ready. I want to build the framework anyway, so I will populate them with all the Banksia available. I will try to get the aus sp. first. The interest in Aust. plants, at that time, is a thread I intend to weave across wikimedia. It will threadbare, for a while at least. Cygnis insignis 13:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Unpublished works in Australia

As far as I know, unpublished works are not public domain in Australia; i.e. they hold copyright indefinitely (see [1], and consider following up on Wikisource:Scriptorium#PD-US-unpublished where I have started a more general thread). John Vandenberg 12:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

As the final draft is hardly a piece of fine art, and we dont have an image of the foolscap pages, I think we should move the provenance of the final draft to the talk page, and update the page to accurately reflect the 1928 printed version. Do you have a digital image of the newspaper article you could upload? John Vandenberg 22:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

CotW

Greetings, I noticed that you have edited the Author:James Cook page - and that's all the justification I needed to (spam your talk page, and...) inform you that he has been chosen as the current Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week. Please consider a few minutes today to help improve our (currently disappointing) collection of works by this fine author! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Captain Cook} 06:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

new pages

I have been adding a few pages to Curtis, Vol. XIX; helping to me discover the problems that might arise. I used a pipelink in the index to that vol., an error in the original. An unfortunate crop on the image too. Cygnis insignis 01:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you think it would be okay if were moved The Botanical Magazine/Volume XIX/715 to The Botanical Magazine/Volume XIX/715. Bauera rubioides, &c.? It would be helpful to have a clearer title, e.g. here. Hesperian

Yep. I was thinking that would be best, but I kept it simple while I was modelling the structure and workflow. This probably reduced the amount of blunders I made while in planning mode. The only problems I anticipate would be 10 gallon titles, and the name (L.) that you or I would select: ../Volume XV/505. Dianella Cærulea. However, a title of ...

• "Curtis's Botanical Magazine ... /505 Dianella Cærulea. Blue Dianella." ... would also be accurate.

I had planned to name the images something sensible, but is there a problem with outmoded names turning up in commons' cats? By the way, I thought I had accidently added a category here, instead of at commons. A check of the page history, and 'recent changes', explained it. Nice one! Cygnis insignis 10:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

... Did you see the note under the header at A Specimen of the Botany of New Holland/Embothrium silaifolium? I think something that suffices to prevent misunderstanding. Hesperian 10:56, 5 September 2007

I did, I will add that to the procedure. I suppose I could emblazon the "This species is now known as ~" across the the page at Commons. Your views are, as always, very helpful to the planning of this venture. I hope to provide a set of guidelines for completing a page: uploading text and images, cross reference, and maybe a stub at en:wp. Simple – nu? Cygnis insignis 11:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Did I ask you about this? The plates and cover are already at commons. It's is an okay book, the prose is a bit, er .., florid!? Cygnis insignis 21:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I moved some pages and searched en:ws for any links, let me know if you linked them elsewhere. I didn't apply the name changes yet, I should have done that first. I changed the structure, when I saw what you did with Edwards's volumes. You might want to watch Talk:Curtis's Botanical Magazine for sudden changes, although I might move that as well :) Cygnis insignis 08:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

(older thread) Pardon, missed this: Are you going to remove the "The" volumes from the "Curtis's" page? I left them for the moment, I thought about making the 'Curtis's page' into '[The?] Botanical Magazine' - I may run the indices from there. There is a risk of bewildering the reader with a series of similar pages. I'm starting to think a parent document (elsewhere? en:wp, books) would serve to assist navigating the pages. Don't look, but the later issues start bundling the index for four volumes! The links are 'forty gallon' now. Cygnis insignis 23:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

' Dryandra '

have a look at Wikipedia:Banksia nobilis, especially the second paragraph of the taxonomy section. If/when you transcribe 4633, let me know and I'll link to it. Hesperian

Nice one, Drummond gets more mention in the ones in the ones I did. This should get put in somewhere too. The companion piece (vol. 74) was good too, I had read it before somewhere. I have to confess to using the outmoded name in a couple of images, I will fix them up. Still finding more complications with the structure, things are a bit untidy at the moment. I would not recommend linking in to it, I am not certain how stable the structure will remain. What do you think about roman numerals in the title, the alpha-ordering is a drag. However, Botanical Magazine XXXIX 3939 is the naming I am tending to favour. I could drop the volume name altogether, not sure yet. It is a good thing I started on the later volumes and discovered potential probs now. Cygnis insignis 14:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

... anyway, here is 4906 - Cygnis insignis 22:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Addicted

Golly, we have a new addict! Welcome aboard. Hesperian 00:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, seeing as how Wikipedia was my gateway drug, it was just a matter of time before I moved on to the harder stuff ;-)

I do have a question for you, though, since I'm a newbie. When creating links to these tabs/plates in Curtis's, should I be preserving the ligatures in the article titles as well as the links? And is the format "#### Genus species" the one to follow? I've just been following examples I've seen elsewhere. Just want to know if I'm doing everything right! Cheers, --Rkitko 00:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Should? - I don't know. In article titles, I always convert "æ" to "ae", and I recently converted accents where they were obviously intended only as pronunciation hints.[1] But Cygnis doesn't. I'm not sure there is a right answer... but I strongly recommend maintaining a single convention per document, and Bot. Mag. is Cygnis's baby. So I suggest following his example when you add to Bot. Mag., my example when you add to Bot. Reg., and keeping your own counsel when you start something new. Hesperian 02:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Alas, I fear the above could be misinterpreted. "Follow our example" was not intended as an imperative. If you think the way either of us is doing things is stupid or inconvenient or cannot be adapted to whatever it is you're working on, then please help us make it better. Hesperian 02:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I've seen some edits by Fred.e on Curtis's as well and he set it up differently with linking only to the plate number instead of plate number plus binomial, which I think might be easier... I will follow up that conversation up with Cygnis. Thanks again, --Rkitko 03:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Code III Emergency!

Quickly, run over and update/improve Wikisource:Australia before it's too late! Remember, if you don't do this, it's like the terrorists have already won. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Richard Francis Burton} 01:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

rofl, didn't even notice that - you can tell I made WS:Afghanistan first, then copy/pasted over to the others...thought I caught all my flubs though ;) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Richard Francis Burton} 02:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Scientific works

Can someone please look at inserting a genre entry for scientific works. I've been contributing material from Flora Australiensis and A Specimen of the Botany of New Holland, and I know Fred.e has been contributing material from The Botanical Magazine. There doesn't seem to be any suitable genre for these sources. Hesperian 12:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, Wikisource:Botany created. Please help add/improve to it. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Ivan Turgenev} 06:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

second-hand

Hi, {{second-hand}} is a really good idea. Sadly, almost all of our texts are second hand. John Vandenberg 22:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. please see my comment at Category talk:Works with second-hand provenance ThomasV 22:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys. And it only took me three months to get around to implementing it. ;-)

Speaking for myself, most of my earlier contributions had very poor provenance indeed, but over time I imposed higher standards on myself, and these days most of my uploads have very good provenance. I wince when I see Project Gutenberg copy-paste jobs being posted, but if my experience is anything to go by, accepting works of poor provenance may be a price we have to pay to keep bringing newbs through the door. Hesperian 23:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

PD tagging

Thanks for answering the question I didn't ask. But what's the answer to the one I did? Moondyne 10:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually I worked it out myself (I think) -- Template:PD-1996. Moondyne 10:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

There's not a particular section headed Abrolhos, rather mentioned in discussion re Pelsart and the 1840 Beagle expedition. But I'll start scanning it now and email you shortly. Moondyne 11:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The deed is done. Moondyne 13:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

voting season

Hi, my apologies if you are not interested, but I have nominated you for adminship: Wikisource:Administrators#Hesperian. Simply decline the request if you dont wish to take this on at this stage. Cheers, John Vandenberg 20:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

My Life's Adventure

Hello,

You could copy this work to Wikilivres. It is in the public domain in Canada and accepted there. Regards, and best of luck for your admin candidature. Yann 17:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

And describe the copyright details on Author:John Kirwan, which has just now been undeleted due to WS:S#Author-PD-none. John Vandenberg 13:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Oz

I'm not sure if you're interested in helping out - but FloNight and I have been trying to keep {{New texts}} updated for upcoming holidays. January 26th is both India and Australia Day - since Australia Day predates India Day (and frankly, will attract more interest, since we have more Australian users than Indian...), I thought it would be a wise choice and have started The Voyage of Governor Phillip to Botany Bay which details the voyage which Australia Day commemorates. If you can find any other eTexts related to historical Australia, or better yet - Australia Day (also called Republic Day), please feel free to add them and make a note on our talk pages - once we have eight new texts, we'll update the template on the front page! :) (Since I believe you are aalso Australian yourself, please consider adding Wikisource:Australia to your watched pages, and help us improve that index! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 21:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Very sexy Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 04:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Sysop

You have been appointed :) --BirgitteSB 14:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations. Moondyne 08:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! And thanks for the welcome :) Giggy\^talk 04:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

re: y'know

... well, I know better now. I happily dived in and corrected a couple of things, but I now see that these were already fixed at the final page :P Cygnis insignis 11:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

With a bit of background, the above comment would summarise both situations. Cygnis insignis 16:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Australian poetry

Hey, as I believe you are an Australian, I thought I would direct you to Wikisource:Australian poetry both to help fill out the collection, maintain and clean up the index, and for your own possible interest. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Honoré de Balzac} 01:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration project

This weeks collaboration project is G. W. Bush. Please take the time this week to identify and/or transcribe one important work by, or involving, this very prominent person who is relevant to us all. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 02:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion

Thanks for deleting that author page. :) I also noticed something in the MediaWiki text that I can't change as I'm not an admin here. When you click on a redlink, it says "inexistent page". Shouldn't that be "nonexistent page"? (If I'm wrong, feel free to ignore me and return to your work.) Best, Keilana 04:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I've started a discussion at MediaWiki talk:Newarticletext. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 05:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

easy peasy

all done - it was odd looking text but knowing the words helps alot. Ask me any time. Casliber 06:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Endeavour Journal

This link you added didn't work due to <pre>: [2] I moved it down to somewhere not preformatted (diff) - any ideas on a better way to fix this? giggy _(:O) 09:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Consequences of non-sequential translations

I started to work on the illustration pages sequentially, so that I would not lose my place. The reality is that I didn't because of the way 10 and 9 are displayed on computers which are thank god, still quite simple and somewhat stupid. Is there any particular reason that the translations are not being made sequentially? -- carol (talk) 07:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

You means transcriptions? It is a reflection of my disorganised mind. I doubt if I could keep up with you anyhow. Would you like me to do the plate pages right away?

What's really bothering me at the moment is the redlink on page 1; in fact it is bothering me enough that I have started transcribing Chapter 19 of the target work, just to turn that link blue. I'm up to page 253; only 50 pages to go :-( The point of this ramble is that my problems go a lot further than just transcribing pages out of order. :-(

Hesperian 07:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I am sitting here fairly isolated with software that is free (not special, no special fonts, no anything additional), in a world that I am unfamiliar with and I wandered onto archive.org which seems to be doing a similar project although, things I looked at were abandoned in 2004. I cannot help but consider that I am using a different gui yet working with a different project. I cannot help but consider this.

The same things that make it fun to navigate around wikipedia are actually a problem with editing it -- this I can easily see and have experienced. Thank you for the assistance cleaning up the templates at the commons, btw. The imaginary problems with my articles at wikipedia must stop.

I am sorry about your other problems; can I help? -- carol (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you offering me counselling, or a transcription service? :-) You are free to help me as you see fit. I must say I am extremely grateful for what you're doing already.

If you're looking for a transcription project, you are free to work on any part of TLSLX, or IPSB, or start your own project. (After this red link stops bothering me, the redlink on the next page will start to bother me; I suspect that one would be very much to your tastes. I found it online but I can't remember if it was at archive.org or Google Books or botanicus or gallica.

Copyright tags

Hello,

I noticed that you mentioned to User_talk:Kathleen.wright5#Categories not to add copyright tags to subpages. I thought that the rule was to add such a tag to every page. Is there a formal policy about this somewhere? Thanks, Yann 10:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:John Boyle O'Reilly (Case of mistaken identity)

I think you must be thinking of someone else with the same name, see Author:John Boyle O'Reilly. Kathleen.wright5 14:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Check who wrote the page, and who submitted all those O'Reilly poems, and who wrote the O'Reilly article on Wikipedia ;-) Here's a clarification. Hesperian 23:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

wikibreak

I'm on wikibreak until Monday. Hesperian 04:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Scan quality

I noticed that you made some notes in Help:DjVu about scanned image quality. I just wanted to mention that usually OCRing of text actually works better, for 10pt or 12pt text, with scans that are only 300dpi or 400dpi. (I don't have a citation for that handy but I think I can hunt one down if you're curious.)

I'm not suggesting that you stop striving for higher-quality scans. There are definitely many valid reasons other than OCR to do that - aesthetics, for example, or for the sake of consistency with high-quality scans of images from a work. Just an FYI.--❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 17:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't doubt that OCR works better on lower-res, but I think we should be striving to provide the highest quality representation of the text, even if it doesn't make our editorial work harder.

"Higher quality" doesn't just mean "higher resolution"; it means higher fidelity, which implies an appropriate resolution (high but without oversampling), and also implies not introducing unnecessary compression artifacts, not losing fidelity through an unnecessarily long processing chain, etc. A direct conversion from PNG to DjVu will yield the highest possible fidelity. To unnecessarily convert via an intermediate format means losing fidelity for no real reason. Moreover, the works that I DjVu typically contain images as well as text.

Having said all that, I have no objection to your rearrange at Help:DjVi files; I'm just explaining why I'll continue to seek the highest quality scan possible.

23:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Good points about quality versus resolution. I think it's ideal to avoid compression artifacts too. The three-step process is definitely the easier, but lower-quality way of doing it.--❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 17:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

re: Freo

Yes, Fremantle is such a little town in wiki terms, surely we should've stumbled upon one another earlier. But hurrah to know there's another local here! If you're ever up for espousing a south-of-the-river meetup (WP, I mean) to the rest of the Perthians, I'm all for it; not that the current plans for the next meetup seem to be going anywhere fast. — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 09:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Substituting {{indent}}

Hello Hesperian. Was there any discussion about substituting {{indent}}? I think that makes pages like Break of Day in the Trenches much harder to edit and read. While that page can be converted to <poem>, many can't be. A better solution would be to migrate such pages to the new {{indent}} format. —{admin} Pathoschild 10:01:34, 09 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi. The discussion is at Jaydvb's talk page. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. It was a small step in a larger process, and it did seem like a good idea at the time. Before I'd even finished the AWB run, I started to have doubts about whether I was actually improving the situation, but I was so close to finished that I decide to plough on to the end. What I should have done is what you're doing – assess each case on its merits, and replace the old template call with plain text, a new-style invocation of {{indent}} or <poem>, according to what is best for the situation. How do you think we should proceed from here? Hesperian 11:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

If you don't mind losing the work you did, we could revert your changes and auto-categorize every old-style {{indent}}. Then we could use the category to manually replace on a case-by-case basis. —{admin} Pathoschild 12:10:07, 09 October 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't mind losing the work I did; what I mind is the fact that I did it in the first place. Okay, I'll start hammering the rollback button. :-( Hesperian 12:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I think that happens to most bot operators at some point. :) Pages with the old format should start appearing in Category:Deprecated indent usage now. —{admin} Pathoschild 12:58:50, 09 October 2008 (UTC)

check

I found this page, again I think, and transcribed two of the articles: The Perth gazette, and independent journal of politics and news/Volume 4/10 January 1851. The scarlet heart-turner was my target, but there is a couple of mentions of Banksia and Dryandra. The stuff about guano was not quite as interesting, but they mention Drummond at the end - a nice bit of cross promotion by the gazette. The year in the note at APNI is wrong, if they are referring to this item. This seems very familiar, pardon if we've been through this before. Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Strike that, the first mention is 1851, I just found the description. Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

so if you could check the formatting of this too. Ta, Cygnis insignis (talk) 20:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

And nuke the redirect from the wrong title. Cygnis insignis (talk) 20:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Very nice; would you like me to upload a DjVu of page scans so you can proof against them? Hesperian 23:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Please. Then I can see how it is done. Nice bit of analysis on your quote selection. Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I've made a note to do it on Monday. Unless some of the pages desperately need cropping, the file I produce won't be any better than if you downloaded the PDF from http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ and used http://any2djvu.djvuzone.org/ to convert it to DjVu. So there's no reason you can't do it yourself if it takes your fancy to do so. Hesperian 13:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

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